Katie Moussouris on the Anthropic Export-Control Mess
Show notes
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Three Buddy Problem - Episode 102: Software export controls expert Katie Moussouris joins the show to unpack the US government's abrupt move to suspend access to Anthropic's most powerful models over a so-called "jailbreak" that, on reading the paper, turned out to be a model doing exactly what defenders are supposed to do.
We dig into the export-control chaos, the chemical-weapons framing of cybersecurity, the China question, and why Microsoft just resurrected a disclosure term the industry buried fifteen years ago.
Cast: Katie Moussouris, Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade and Ryan Naraine. Costin is traveling.
Timestamps:
0:00 - Introductory banter
1:00 - Export Controls: Fable 5 and Mythos 5 suspended
3:40 - The Anthropic–USG relationship and USG’s surveillance claim
9:40 - Self-owns, doomsday cults, and why the guardrails are "so broad"
12:42 - What the Amazon paper actually says ("fix this code")
20:33 - The chemical-weapons framing problem
23:39 - The China question and the SK Telecom angle
41:17 - Why hasn't the paper been published?
57:01 - "Free Fable": are Chinese models only months behind?
1:00:13 - The unforgiving internet and the security poverty line
1:11:18 - Microsoft brings back "responsible disclosure" (and threatens researchers)
1:29:04 - Luta Security, the AI bug flood, and shout-outs
Links:
- Transcript
- Katie Moussouris | LinkedIn
- JAGS on NPR: Can computer hackers get inside your mind?
- Anthropic Statement on the USG Export Controls
- Moussouris: Fable 5 Export Controls Harm US Cyber Defense
- Anthropic's Fable Backlash (David Sacks podcast)
- AI imaging company Midjourney tackles MRI scanning
- Microsoft Threatens Vuln Researchers
- Microsoft blog on CVD and POC publications
- TLPBLACK
- LABScon CFP
- Luta Security